Salt Lake City police shoot autistic 13-year-old

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 09/09/2020 at 16:37 • Filed to: None

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Apparently, he was trying to run away from them.

This shit is really, really, really, really getting old.

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Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:39

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According to data compiled and regularly updated by the Washington Post, 1,254 people with a mental illness have been shot dead by US police since the beginning of 2015. This represents 22% of all people shot and killed by police across the country over that period.

I have no words. Armed “peace” offers shouldn’t even be responding to this sort of thing as he was just having separation anxiety. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:40

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WTF.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/09/2020 at 16:41

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Like a bunch of coppers who are in full battle rattle and who exercise at the gym every day weren’t up to the task of restraining a 13-year-old without shooting him?

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 16:44

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Clearly, it’s the boy’s fault. If he wasn’t doing anything wrong, he shouldn’t have run. Besides, he’s probably got warrants.

/s

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:46

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SMH.

Just Jeepin' > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:46

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“See, we’ re not racist, we’ ll shoot any child we feel is a threat.”

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 16:47

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Just another day in the best country on earth amirite? /s

What in the actual fuck...

MoCamino > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:48

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I just can’t fathom a way in which this could unfold that would make me understand how the officer thought it was an appropriate use of force to shoot a 13 year old kid in the back as the kid ran away from them. It defies logic. Well, there’s my mistake. Trying to apply logic to ANYTHING in the U.S. in 2020.

Gotta tell ya, if it didn’t cost so much to emigrate to Canada, I’d probably already have the paperwork submitted.  

ttyymmnn > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/09/2020 at 16:48

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And 2015 is probably when they started keeping numbers.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:50

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Having seen one of these up-close-and-personal?

If you or friends have a whacked out mentally ill, drunk, drugged or psychotic child, relative or colleague? Never, ever call the cops. No matter how out of it they seem? Call the ambulance. Hell. Call the fire department. Do not call the cops. Their only objective will be to “take control”, not necessarily deal with the disturbed individual.

The cops don’t know how and aren’t trained to deal. Do not call them.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:50

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And it’s then you realize that there was probably a reason they realized that figure was important but we will never know what happened beforehand. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 09/09/2020 at 16:51

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Under a law-and-order president.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > MoCamino 09/09/2020 at 16:51

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Just run across the border and claim asylum.  Seems to work for everyone else.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 16:51

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They aren’t trained, they aren’t equipped.  Is like calling a gasoline tanker to a lit sparkler.  Wrong blunt instrument for the job.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 16:51

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If shooting an unarmed kid in the back is just another day on the job for you, you need to do some reevaluation of the priorities in your life.

ttyymmnn > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/09/2020 at 16:54

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It’s just like Trump said about testing: if we don’t test, we don’t have any cases. If we don’t keep track of how many people the cops kill, we don’t have any people killed by cops. 

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 16:56

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“Defund the police” is a term that triggers many and is really poor marketing if anything, but this year has been a pretty great exhibit as to why it’s a very valid suggestion.

Just Jeepin' > MoCamino 09/09/2020 at 16:56

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Sadly Canada isn’t immune to this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53141449

Jb boin > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/09/2020 at 17:00

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Another issue is that assuming that a 13 years old kid might have a gun and might be dangerous is also not a normal thing.

In here, the cops would not even have thought about taking their guns out on such a case.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Jb boin 09/09/2020 at 17:04

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Yeah, that’s part of the problem. They come “over armed” for the situation— if they get rattled at all? Shots get fired.

It’s all bad.

facw > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/09/2020 at 17:09

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The problem is usually when you call 911 they are often just going to send you some of each, and usually the police will be there first since they are out and about instead of deploying from a station.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 17:12

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Sad but true. 

facw > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/09/2020 at 17:12

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Alternatively, if you want to have the police respond to situations like this, you need to hire and train for that instead of just giving a day long seminar vs. the massive amount of firearms training (much of which teaches that you’ll die if you don’t shoot possible threats immediately).

MoCamino > Just Jeepin' 09/09/2020 at 17:14

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Yeah, I know. I revealed my status as an ignorant American there. :( It’s just so frustrating. I want to believe 2020 can’t get any worse, but it keeps slapping us down again. Don’t get me wrong - I’m incredibly fortunate. I already worked from home full time, so there was no danger of an employment interruption for me with COVID.  But the oppressiveness of this year..it just feels never-ending. Between the debacle of how the pandemic has been handled and the near-constant stream of news like this, I’m kind of losing any confidence I had left in the human race. It’s like most of the world has forgotten how to give a crap about anyone but themselves.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 17:15

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The only reason you shoot in this situation is because you were trained to do so. Or, you weren’t trained not to.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > facw 09/09/2020 at 17:20

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Yeah, it’s a terrible dilemma— kid’ s out of control, will he hurt himself?

But, once you dial 911, it might be completely out of your hands.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 09/09/2020 at 17:27

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Needs better branding if that’s the goal.

A Boy and His Longtail > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 17:28

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I thought a gun was supposed to be the  last resort. Just me? Well, I’ll go back to the crazy box now

ttyymmnn > A Boy and His Longtail 09/09/2020 at 17:30

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That’s exactly the thing. It was the last resort. Now it’s the first option. 

A Boy and His Longtail > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 17:32

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Shoot first and ask questions later I guess. 

PowderHound > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 17:33

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Just don’t read comments on one of the local news sites. You will absolutely hate all of humanity 

jminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/09/2020 at 17:41

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But police reform is far too vague a term to mean anything at all.

While  d efund the police may sound harsh so is the problem and it needs a bold and brash solution.

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 17:54

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Serve, protect and all that.

Don’t forget obscenely powerful mouthy untouchable irresponsible unions.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/09/2020 at 17:55

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I plan to buy my way in like about 20% of the CCP who are using BC real estate as a money laundering vehicle.

Just gotta win that powerball.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 17:56

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Murka

Law and order

Armed and polite society

Exceptionalism

Freedom

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jminer 09/09/2020 at 17:56

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“Defund the Police” is easily viewed as anti-police. If the true desire is to work with the police to take much of the present load off of them that shouldn’t be their responsibility, and let them focus on “keeping the peace”, then another term would be best, otherwise you set up an us vs. them struggle instead of finding ways to work together to solve systemic problems.

I agree that there needs to be wholesale change, which necessitates societal change, which is hard, but necessary. Hopefully there are enough people in power who care more about the future of our cities, states & countries than about their political futures to make some real change, and if not, that the right people will step up, regardless of the personal cost. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 09/09/2020 at 18:01

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Just gotta shift your focus.   Buy into Newfoundland is like, $10,000

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/09/2020 at 18:21

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But will you be stuck on “the rock” once you get in?

I wouldn’t have to live in the lower mainland, I am sure I could be fine in Kelowna or Kamloops.

Mercedes Streeter > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/09/2020 at 18:23

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THIS

Couple years ago a parent of a kid with a mental disability called the Chicago Police. He calmly explained that his son was breaking things with a bat, is not a danger to anyone, has a mental disability, and he just needed some help calming his son down.

When the cops arrived the kid managed to get out of the door of the apartment. Cops saw him running down a flight of stairs holding the bat. They shot him and a neighbor dead. The cops dodged charges because they argued they felt their lives were in danger...nevermind they shot him and the neighbor at a distance and he wasn’t even threatening them, just holding the bat.

Later that same year CPD killed an unarmed autistic teen and were caught on video doing it. At the latest update the cops were merely recommended to have a 90 day suspension.

Just Jeepin' > MoCamino 09/09/2020 at 18:25

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I feel you, I really do. The election in  2016 was a gut check and it feels like I no longer know the country I grew up in.

But I guess I never actually knew it, and I think there’s a solid chance things are changing for the better.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Mercedes Streeter 09/09/2020 at 18:26

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Yeah.  Exactly this.  It’s so sad.

ttyymmnn > PowderHound 09/09/2020 at 18:27

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They actually turned off comments years ago on the local site I read. Of course, there were all the cries about “censorship,” but it’s been great. 

The Snowman > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 18:33

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Salt lake ha s so little diversity the police have had to resort to shooting white kids.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/09/2020 at 18:36

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Badly, badly, badly needs better branding. Beca u se unloading the poli c e s hould be the goal: taking away the money they are given to do those jobs you’re taking off their shoulders is just a consequence.

Half of the cops’ problem (and therefore everyone else’s problem) is they’re expected to deal with a bunch of shit they aren’t trained for and *can’t be* trained for . My sister in law is a psychiatric nurse on our local hospital’s “crisis team”: She’s one of the ones they send in when the cops stick their hands up and say “we’ve got a nut job here and we don’t know how to handle them”. In NZ the cops are lucky enough to ha ve that as an available option (though they’re still carrying a bunch of the other boulders in that cartoon) , but my main point is that it’s taken her 1 0 years of fulltime work as a psych nurse to have the skills to get on the crisis team. There’s no way a cop can ever acquire those skills , on top of the thousand other things they’re supposed to be expert in. This sort of shit is what happens when we expect them to.

Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 18:39

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Fuck this shooting, no doubt.

Also, Fuck the parent that cannot control their offspring, it’s called parenting.

Mercedes Streeter > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/09/2020 at 18:43

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“Defund the Police” is easily viewed as anti-police. If the true desire is to work with the police to take much of the present load off of them that shouldn’t be their responsibility, and let them focus on “keeping the peace”, then another term would be best, otherwise you set up an us vs. them struggle instead of finding ways to work together to solve systemic problems.

The way I’ve had it explained to me is this:

You “defund” the police by slashing their budgets and using those freed up funds for the things cops are often called on to do but aren’t qualified to do.

Cops don’t handle mental illness, homelessness, healthcare, social work etc well but there’s very little funding towards those sorts of programs for the poor. And because those services are so bad people will call on 911 and have the cops come, which as we’re seeing here is a bad idea.

Technically, the true desire isn’t to work with the police, but to slash their funding (the defund aspect) and better allocate that money elsewhere. The theory being if the money that would otherwise be used to militarize a police force is allocated to social services, the police themselves would have an easier time policing.

I would agree that it probably needs better branding, though even with a happier-sounding branding I doubt we’d see much action. Departments don’t want to see their budgets slashed.

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 18:44

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Some folks are calling for the police to get more military style training. That would include clearer guidance on how to deescalate and avoid deadly force whenever possible.

Just Jeepin' > Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped 09/09/2020 at 18:45

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Man, a 13-year-old perfectly healthy boy is impossible to control 100 % of the time. You’re being way too harsh on the woman.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 09/09/2020 at 18:47

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Prince Rupert?  Canada’s rainiest city! 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 19:00

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https://whybluelivesmatter.com/

Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped > Just Jeepin' 09/09/2020 at 19:03

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So have him on meds or committed. If you cannot control your offspring, dog, cat, snake, whatever... please have someone take charge.

Harsh, yes and not a loved opinion I am sure.

Last week we had a SWAT standoff for 31 hours in Austin. The cops were called 15 times in under 30 days. He then got a gun and threatened the neighbor .

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-swat-responding-to-person-barricaded-in-southwest-austin-home/

Identify and Help. The Cops are not here for this. take care of your family and friends.

someassemblyrequired > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 19:06

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Friend’s dad retired as a cop not that long ago. Had been a beat cop the whole time, and had never unholstered his weapon outside the range. Those are the folks we need.

Much of the problem is that police have been radicalized into believing everyone is a threat, when it’s just not true.   And some of them are just sadistic assholes.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/09/2020 at 19:11

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If/when I relocate, it won’t be to a rainier place than where I currently live. Thanks though!

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/09/2020 at 19:19

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Absolutely. Who the hell came up with that stupid phrase? Isn’t it like Marketing 101 where if you’re trying to get people to join your cause you give it a positive spin?

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Mercedes Streeter 09/09/2020 at 19:25

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Agree with what you’re saying and I definitely don’t think needing a happier, peppier tune is what’s necessarily required. This is a very serious problem that needs serious consideration.

But - when it’s simply presented as “defunding” we’re automatically, and firstly, talking about money - and people start thinking “wait, you want to pay the cops who protect us less, or give them less money for protection?” and you’re already having to explain yourself. Take the focus away from the funding, and the actual end result you’re trying to achieve, which is reallocating the work to specialists, and let cops specialize in what people commonly expect them to be focusing on - and give them more training in that set of tasks, we can probably get a whole lot more person joining the cause without giving evil people like Trump an opportunity to twist things around.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > facw 09/09/2020 at 19:32

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The training skews so towards shoot first ask questions later that it's disgusting. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 09/09/2020 at 19:34

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That and demilitarization specifically. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/09/2020 at 19:44

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Yes like “demiti rarizing the police” doesn't sound anti police. It's about dividing responsibility so armed people trained to take control of situations aren't trying to console a mentally handicapped individual. 

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/09/2020 at 19:45

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Absolutely agreed - probably a tougher task which will face a lot more opposition so for PR reasons I kind of get why folks might not want to start with that right off the bat. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 09/09/2020 at 19:52

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It's not the budget that shot that kid. It was a militaristic attitude towards policing. Though dividing up specific areas of jurisdiction would require carving up that budget.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 09/09/2020 at 20:12

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Except that about 0.000001% of what police in the US do is “protecting”. Most of their job is reactionary once the threat has long past. 

onlytwowheels > ttyymmnn 09/09/2020 at 20:49

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This hit’s close to home for me. I have a nephew with Asperger’s, who is 19 years old now. He had days similar to what has been described in this news story. My sister and BIL have been on a roller coaster with this one. He is high functioning but not capable of living on his own. I know he has been in some trouble, but living in a ver y small community, his autism  is fairly well known. If he were in a larger metro area, I fear he would be facing a similar fate.

PowderHound > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/09/2020 at 21:01

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I had a feeling I knew what was coming but was also slightly fearful it would be something else.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/09/2020 at 21:45

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A lot of the cops showing up on the news look more like they’re in the bar every day rather than the gym.

DipodomysDeserti > Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped 09/09/2020 at 21:58

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Most can’t afford the services it requires to properly “control” (you’re ignorant phrasing, not mine) a child with severe autism or other behavioral issues, and lobotomies (chemical or otherwise) aren’t a really good option. Not sure what country you live in if you think committing children to mental hospitals is still a thing.

DipodomysDeserti > onlytwowheels 09/09/2020 at 22:06

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I sat in jail a few months ago and one of the kids in there with me was clearly autistic. I have some experiencing working with kids on the spectrum, so I tried to help keep him calm (we were both in there for around twelve hours). This was in a large metro area in a jail with guards who have killed mentally handicapped people, so I really didn’t want to see him aggravate the guards, especially since his charges had been dismissed.

pip bip - choose Corrour > ttyymmnn 09/10/2020 at 04:54

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WTF?

seriously?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 09/10/2020 at 07:19

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SMH

MoCamino > Just Jeepin' 09/10/2020 at 07:27

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Especially if it’s someone on the autistic spectrum. It changes everything.  

ttyymmnn > pip bip - choose Corrour 09/10/2020 at 09:07

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